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PhantomAngel ~ I have to ask one question without trying to cause friction here. Why is it that an opinion that you don't agree with is non-sense and yet we're expected to accept and agree with what you say?

And you say that you don't want to be "attacked" with 'i bottle feed...', yet you "attack" those who don't agree with your opinion that breastfeeding is best (and go back and read my earlier posts, I breastfed.)
 
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I see nothing wrong with breastfeeding in public. Our society should encourage breastfeeding mothers, not threaten them with arrest! I do wish, however, that more places would make it easier on breastfeeding moms. In June, I took my baby to Cypress Gardens and after about an hour at the water area, he became hungry. I looked on the map for where the breastfeeding area was and was surprised to find that there wasn't one. There were no air-conditioned areas to take him to where I could cover up with a blanket. I started to walk behind where the water slides are, as I remembered there were bathrooms there and I thought there might be an area somewhere there. An employee was walking towards me so I asked her was there an area where I could breastfeed in private. She suggested I go into the restroom and sit on a toilet! She first insisted that I put the baby down and put on a shirt. (I was wearing a whole piece suit with a skirt.) I was shocked. I finally had to sit up under a tree and used the stroller to block the view. As I was wearing a bathing suit my whole breat was exposed and I was uncomfortable with this. If a woman is comfortable, that is acceptable, but I would have liked privacy. I wrote Cypress Gardens about this. They claim to be a family park, but do not provide for breastfeeding moms and their infants. I never heard back from them.
 
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For example what culture does she come from? America is made up of so many cultures that the way a baby is nursed may be part of their culture as well as how long a baby is nursed.

Culture or not- law states you can only breastfeed in public till they are a year old. And if it becomes a culture issue then people should respect each others culture and breastfeed in a respectful way.

"respectful way" this is a matter of opinion. I never took my shirt off to nurse but always had trouble with my nursing bras and could not wear regular and pull them up as it prevented my baby from latching.

What economic status is she in? Nursing shirts are not cheap. In my mothers day of nursing she wore button down shirts as nursing shirts were not made but even button down shows more than one might like.

T-shirts can be pulled down to cover most of the breast skin. You don't have to have special shirts for breastfeeding.

This may be true that it covers the breast skin but at least for me it did not cover the side I was nursing on.

"It isn't really that I don't tell them what is going on it is more the fact that if bf the right way people would not see you breast at all." What is the right way? It is very hard at least from my experience to learn to nurse your child and I had plenty of help from both the hospital and family whom all nursed, but teaching a baby how to latch on is not easy and teaching a mother how to help them without getting upset is not easy either. The right way in my opinion is however mother and child bond and are comfortable feeding/eating and in some cases this may be showing more than some may like.

If a person is learning to breastfeed they should not be learning in a public place. A hospital room or a private area is one thing when learning. When they was trying to get my son to latch on they pulled the blinds closed, put a sign on the door that said do not distrub breastfeeding to keep people out. The right way maybe whatever is comfy- but it would seem you'd be more comfortable knowing that your not being stared at because your showing your breast.

My previous comment did not have anything to do with learning except that I was trying to say that it could be possible the girl you witnessed learned to nurse in this fashion whether it was from her baby or others. My babies did not latch on very easily at all so I always had to have them uncovered and it always took forever to get them latched on correctly. I could not pump like you said you did as I never got enough milk from the pump and I had one of the best (Medulla).

And strangely enough how big are her breasts? Larger breasted women do seem to find it more difficult to be more discreet without having to throw a blanket over themselves and their baby and as said before it is so hot in Florida not to mention with all those hormones still going crazy that for some a blanket does more harm than good for both mother and baby. My sister in law was a mother with large breasts and I witnessed it every time she fed her girls regardless of whether she was in a nursing shirt or a button down or whatever it was just very difficult for her to be more discreet but this should not mean that she automatically had to cover up with a blanket for others comfort.
Hot or not- we see people wrapping their babies in receiving blankets all day long- I am a large breasted person and when I could get my son to latch on I could pull my shirt down to cover what was showing- I could even pump in a parking lot and have both covered while double pumping- may not have been holding a baby but was darn sure holding two extra large flange tubes-


This is the difference though you would cover your baby and some like to watch their baby nurse so because she was larger breasted and wanted to see her baby she could not cover up as well as I could being smaller breasted.

I do apologize if I offended you though as that was not my intention.
My entire post about this was to bring to attention that nothing is a straight narrow line and the reasons behind the way this mother was breastfeeding were unknown, so what was offensive to you may have been the only way this mother could feed her hungry baby - you just do not know. So to generalize that all should cover up or they are being disrespectful is unfair to say. What is best for one is not always best for others.


Well say it was not her breastfeeding just standing in the hall- if they told her to move several times and she refused would it be okay for them to have threatened arrest then??

Another thing- if a man gropes himself and someone complains he can be charged with sexual misconduct. Andrewsmommy made a comment about butts and legs- Legs are body parts that are seen bare skin on just about everyone- before women use to have to keep their legs covered. Now with the butts- I'm sorry I'd rather a man keep that covered- its disgusting to see crack on a guy that is a larger size-
I am just saying how is it okay for someone to bf and not be modest to try to stay covered- but yet its not okay for a child to use the bathroom or a man to grope himself it he has an itch...
My girls know why I pumped and they knew what it was for. There is nothing embarrassing about that. As several stated they have breastfeed and no one knew they were doing it or were around others that they didn't even know where breastfeeding. My aunt breastfeed both her children and we didn't know she was doing it.
There are just thin lines with the laws and exposure that it makes it hard to say okay you can feed your baby and everyone can see your breast when there are other body parts that must be covered or its indecent exposure.

Everyone has their views of course and of course I don't think anyone is wrong in what they feel this is my opinion and I feel if a mom is bf in public she should at least try to respect those around her and be a little modest.
 
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I just have to take issue here with the comparisons on flesh being revealed in the act of nurturing a baby, and the act of a man exposing his butt or groping himself - the two are completely unrelated and I think it's unfair to compare them.

If a woman reveals her breasts, and feels herself in a provocative manner - in public, then yes you can draw that comparison.

A mother breastfeeding her baby should be left alone to nurture her child without interruption, stares or threat of arrest from any onlooker. If people have problems seeing a mother nurse her baby in public, whether by their standards that mother is being modest enough or not - that is precisely that, their problem. If they don't want to see it - look away - it's a very simple thing to do.
 
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I agree Albee.

And as for littleT saying that it's my OPINION, it's actually NOT an opinion at all. It is a FACT. Breastfeeding is BEST for babies, period. Show me a study that proves that Formula Feeding is BETTER for babies thank breastmilk and then I will say yes it is my opinion. I don't think you can do that though. As a matter of fact some formula commercials that I have seen lately actually have a disclaimer at the bottom of the screen that says "Breastmilk is best, ask your doctor"

So no, it is not my opinion that breastmilk is best, it is just the pure and simple truth.
 
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Oh, and before I get it for saying "breastfeeding" instead of "breastmilk" to begin with let me say that I totally respect mothers who pump feed their breastmilk, and it's awesome that they are making sure their babies get the best they can give. However, usually pumping is not as succesful as actually putting the baby to your breast because the plastic of a pump doesn't stimulate your breasts to make milk and to make the KIND of milk that your baby needs like the actual baby herself can do. That's also a fact.
 
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It is a FACT that breastfeeding is best for MOST babies, not all. And it is an OPINION that all mothers should do it, not a FACT.

What really gets me is that there is so much talk in here of "supporting mothers and encouraging them to breastfeed and do what's best for their babies..."

What about supporting mothers and encouraging them. PERIOD. How about not putting mothers down or telling them that they're wrong because they don't choose to do the same things you may choose to do?
 
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So no, it is not my opinion that breastmilk is best, it is just the pure and simple truth.


PhantomAngel I love that you have joined in with your experience and thoughts in this discussion.

I quoted you above and I have to tell you that LittleT is right. Breastfeeding is not best for all babies.

If you get a chance please check out another breastfeeding link here on PolkMoms. At that link it discusses a very real and serious reason not to breastfeed and also includes a government link that tells of certain situations when breastfeeding is NOT best.

I mention in this thread that I did start to breastfeed Ryan. I LOVED it. I did have to stop and at risk of sounding dramatic, if I would have continued, I would have killed him.



The link is here
http://talk.polkmoms.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6821058796/m/3061049707


~Mother to Brandon, Austin, Ethan, Ryan and Lillian~
 
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I've enjoyed reading everyones OPINIONS no one is wrong as they are all opinions. I feel the way I do because of what I have seen and how I was raised- as the rest of us. I do have to say no ones opinion is non-sense.
As for as breast being best. Felicity my oldest was not breastfeed I couldn't get her to latch on so she had formula. My boys both had breast milk (pumped) for at least 3 months each and if you compare them in realms of sickness- Bryson my 2 year old gets sick more than my daughter which got no breast milk. Gavin my 5 month old has been sick 3 times- the ones stomach flu he got from my breastfeeding him. No he didn't have it as bad as but he and Bryson seemed to have it the worst and the longest. Alayna got very little breast milk and she seems to have severe ear infections, allergies and sinus problems. So again everyone has an opinion on what is best or what they think of the situation.


Melissa- Mommy to four!!
Felicity, Alayna, Bryson and Gavin
 
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Well, I never said that every mother SHOULD breastfeed. That is a decision that each person has to make for themselves! While I understand that there are circumstances when a baby cannot be breastfed, due to medications that the mother is taking, or rare cases, the fact is that for the majority, and over all breastmilk IS best! It is unfortunate that Shawn was in a situation like that, but that is not a normal case. Formula merely tries to immitate breastmilk, it is a substitute. There will always be exceptions, but the fact still remains that breastmilk is the optimum choice for nourishing a baby.

I never said that EVERY mother should breastfeed. I didn't breastfeed my son. He was formula fed, and a lot of the reasons that I CHOSE that route was because I lacked information and support. When I became pregnant with my daughter I educated myself more and made my decision accordingly. But, the research shows and the AAP agrees that breastmilk is best for babies and breastfeeding should be supported.

The topic though is not about which is better, but about the persecution of a mother who was breastfeeding in public, and why that is wrong.
 
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What is nonsense is the way that people act toward mothers who breastfeed in public. Despite how we were all raised this is suppose to be a country of tolerance. Why is it ok for women to parade around in public scantily clad in mini skirts and tube tops and that is acceptable, but a mother who is not trying to attract attention but is simply feeding her baby is obscene? If someone is offended or uncomfortable with it they have the choice not to look, and not to confront that mother. Unlike when I am out with my children, and I'm sure you have all experienced this, and you hear someone using foul and obscene language! I find that VERY offensive and it makes me UNCOMFORTABLE to be forced to hear someone's profanity, but society doesn't put a stigma on that! No one is approached in the grocery store and threatened with arrest for using profanity.
 
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When I hear someone use profanity around a child, I will confront them and ask them to watch thier language around children. Sometimes ppl aren't aware that a child is within earshot. I gladly Smiler remind them!


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Cool Way to go! Maybe that's what I should start doing!
 
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I am all for breastfeeding if you are able and there is nothing (medicine, medical condition, adoptive parent, etc.) preventing it.

I have stayed out of this thread because I really didn't want to rock the boat, but I just have to put my two cents in now. I'm sure that Phantom Angel is not purposefully grinding in the "breastmilk IS best" issue to be hurtful. However, we tried for years to conceive, had diagnostic procedures, were told that things were "textbook" and nature should work, and tried assisted reproduction, all to no avail. Two years ago, we became parents to Hayley through the most whirlwind adoptive placement I could have ever imagined (not that I ever did!). Breastfeeding on roughly 20 hours notice just doesn't happen, even if you are inclined to try to make it happen (which can, with enough time and effort, be accomplished by some).

At any rate...I feel a bit like an outcast by Phantom Angel's standard. I didn't get the choice. It is that simple. Period. Pushing is hurtful, at least to me.

Nuff said. I'm moving to different topics. Thanks for "listening".
 
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What is nonsense is the way that people act toward mothers who breastfeed in public. Despite how we were all raised this is suppose to be a country of tolerance. Why is it ok for women to parade around in public scantily clad in mini skirts and tube tops and that is acceptable, but a mother who is not trying to attract attention but is simply feeding her baby is obscene? If someone is offended or uncomfortable with it they have the choice not to look, and not to confront that mother. Unlike when I am out with my children, and I'm sure you have all experienced this, and you hear someone using foul and obscene language! I find that VERY offensive and it makes me UNCOMFORTABLE to be forced to hear someone's profanity, but society doesn't put a stigma on that! No one is approached in the grocery store and threatened with arrest for using profanity.


Again as it was pointed out earlier this was not about someone just breast feeding. This issue most people are talking about is those who show more than most would expect for a mother that is breastfeeding. I told how my 3 year old asked what a lady was doing with her boob- I told her- but this lady looked as if she had NO shirt on and was exposing more than you would usually see. I have NO problem with breastfeeding in public just do not feel it is appropriate for a mother to do it the way we seen this mom doing it.
The woman that invented the Hooter Hiders did it for a reason... if I remember correctly it had something to do with people feeling uncomfortable feeding in public and they wanted something LITE to cover themselves. -


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Felicity, Alayna, Bryson and Gavin
 
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