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Although autism is one of the problems associated with vaccines, they have been linked to a myriad other diseases/ailments, including cancer, SIDS, asthma, allergies, leukemia, arthritis, and many, many more.


For those of you who want to find out more about the dangers of vaccination, I suggest the following site:

www.vaclib.org

Also, please watch this video presentation by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny:

Vaccines: The benefits....the risks...the choices

AND

If you have been lied to by the school system that it's "the law" you have to be vaccinated, take a look at this link which has all the appropriate exemption forms, including birth:

FLORIDA - IMMUNIZATION EXEMPTIONS (includes current statutes, letters & forms)

And also, this is a must-read by Dr. Rebecca Carley:

INOCULATIONS: THE TRUE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Or visit Dr. Carley's website:

http://www.drcarley.com/


And for those of you who don't want to be harassed about vaccinations by a pediatrician, I suggest Dr. Robinson (as does American who's a member here).

Robinson Family Clinic
4406 S. Florida Avenue
Suite 30
Lakeland, FL 33813-2175
CALL: 863-646-5088

For those of you who want to have a child naturally, with no nurses or doctors attempting to bully you into accepting vaccinations for your newborn, I highly suggest Labor of Love Birthing Center:

Lakeland Birth Center
1525 Edgewater Beach Dr.
Lakeland, FL 33805
(863) 680-BABY
http://www.laboroflove.info/index.html

And be sure you breastfeed your kids, don't vaccinate, and keep away from McDonald's, etc.

You won't NEED the pediatrician very much if you follow that advice.

18watt_fan - I for one appreciate all of the informative links that you're providing and I do think it's very important to look at Both sides of the arguement on vaccinations.

That being said, it worries me when comments are made (and please don't take personal offense by this, it's not meant as such) like "if you breastfeed, don't vaccinate and keep your kids away from McDonalds you won't need the pediatrician very often."

To me, and I may be the only one taking it this way, that's like saying if you choose to vaccinate or let your child have a Happy Meal or don't (for whatever reason) breastfeed then they're suffering for your poor choices by needing to see a doctor. And to me, I take it as saying that you're not doing the "best" job you can as a parent by doing such. I didn't breastfee (wasn't able to), do let my child have McDonalds on occasion and have given her all of the recommended vaccinations and I don't think for a minute that she'll suffer for any of those choices. I haven't, and my parents did the same for me.

Again, please don't take any of this personally, I just want to point out "both sides" of this issue as well.

i am with u on this little t my two older kids have had there vaccinations and the only time they see the doctor is on their well check-up i didnt breastfeed them.

This subject has been hashed out many times over in The Ledger Forums, for anyone else who's interested. And both sides of the issue have been touched upon here already. I'm not sure why it's being brought up again ~ I question the motives.

It seems to me, as if with Mother's Day coming up, it would be kind of 18watt to desist with his lecture on what a Mom should or should not do, as his beliefs are just that.

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And be sure you breastfeed your kids, don't vaccinate, and keep away from McDonald's, etc.

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These are dubious directives, to say the least. Not everyone can or should breastfeed, vaccinations have been proven to save lives, as any indepth research will prove, and Mcdonalds is only going to be dangerous if done to excess or where the majority of a child's diet is unbalanced.

And 18watt, I think you mean well. But I'm getting kind of tired of those who would assume they know what's best for everyone else, especially when it comes to parenting.

And here are some of the links from The Ledger (the first and last of which are 18watts to be fair, although there is great debate on all three threads) where both sides of the equation are well represented, to be fair again.

Every parent has the right to make their own choice on this issue, it's not a matter of good or evil, as was one of the reasons I ever started a thread on The Ledger site on this issue. I was tired of hearing that if you vaccinate your kids you're doing something wrong...
Even the authorities debate the issues of what's best, no one parent, or even expert is the authority on children or how best to raise them, the world is made of individuals, and every family, every child is subject to different needs, different risk factors, etc...

Anyway, here are the links:
(Vaccinations are Evil)

http://forums.theledger.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4521043365/m/7011079465/p/1


(Vaccination Benefits)
http://forums.theledger.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2631062365/m/3451044817


(Measles article)

http://forums.theledger.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2631062365/m/3451044817

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Moms,

I know I come across as sounding mean sometimes, but it's my way of showing tough-love.



But vaccinations aside (for this one sentence), you ALL must admit that breastfeeding and NOT eating junk food regularly is the best way to raise your child.

Back to vaccinations:

Take a look at this 4 part video by Dr. Sherri Tenpenny regarding the polio vaccine.

Watch as she calmly and scholarly rips apart the myth:

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on Polio - 1 of 4


Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on Polio - 2 of 4

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on Polio - 3 of 4

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on Polio - 4 of 4

That's rather patronizing 18watt. What makes you think that moms on here need tough love (or your brand of it?)

I know how strongly you tout parental rights and especially their right to be free of governmental rules and such, but yet you feel it's your duty to designate what makes for a good parent? Come on, that's the last thing you want done to you and I know it.

Tough love may be something parents use on their kids, whom they are responsible for, but coming from a poster, it sounds more like condescension of sorts than anything.

ok everyone i'm sure knows where i stand about vaccines from the other threads. the only 1 i'm against is chicken pox. but...
i don't agree with withholding junk food from kids!!! i knew a family who only ate healthy foods, and when there kids got out of the house and out of parental controls they went nuts for junk food.
the other thing is breast feed babys. i know more healthier babys who have been bottle fed than breast feed. my daughter only goes to well check ups. and she has only been sick a couple times. so i suggest what ever feels right to you as a parent do it. you know whats best!!!
and i believe if you want to go to mcdonald once in a while whats it gunna hurt. if your kid wants some m&m's give them some. ok i'm done with this thread theres my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by greatfulcp:

If your kid wants some m&m's give them some.

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My wife gives them to one of my sons every-so-often to bribe him to learn his colors. I ask her if he's going to learn the difference between REGULAR red and CANCER red by doing it that way.

It's in moderation, I suppose.

My wife isn't half as strict as me, but we're generally on the same page about health/vaccine issues.

There is no easy solution to the vaccine issue.

If everyone stopped vaccinating, some of these "old time" diseases could come back into circulation and become dangerous again. Now, I'm talking deadly diseases that are still issues in some countries without these vaccinations. So, it's a personal decision and one that your doctors will help you make.

Not all vaccinations are as dangerous and I don't think eliminating all vaccinations is a good idea.

I breastfed my daughter for a full year, she didn't have any sugar or "ugly" foods until she was over 2 (it's the first two years that they create eating habits, according to most literature) and now, she even prefers the apples to the french fries at McDonalds. She also gets the occasional cookie and ice-cream and what's childhood without a little of that??

BUT, she also has been sick and has terrible allergies.

Every kid and every situation is different. You do the best you can, with the information you have and go from there.

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Originally posted by VegasMom:



IIf everyone stopped vaccinating, some of these "old time" diseases could come back into circulation and become dangerous again. Now, I'm talking deadly diseases that are still issues in some countries without these vaccinations. So, it's a personal decision and one that your doctors will help you make.

Not all vaccinations are as dangerous and I don't think eliminating all vaccinations is a good idea.

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From the studies I've done, I must respectfully disagree.

These outbreaks are caused by poor sanitation and/or malnutrition.

The vaccine industry has just hitched a ride on the coat-tails of this nation (and many others) installing modern-day sanitation systems - ESPECIALLY in big city centers.

Having food on the table, especially nutritious food, is a MAJOR , MAJOR factor, as well.

If you are living in filth and/or not eating much food, vaccinations are not going to help.
In fact, from my studies, they only do harm.

Here's an interesting documentary:

(watch it now for free by clicking the link below)

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth


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Because of the conversations on here, this article on Babycenter.com from Reuters caught my eye today.

This is the only thread I'll post it on, I have no desire to create more controversy, just wanted to share it since this seems to be such a hot-button topic.

Doctor who raised vaccine-autism alarm faces hearing - Reuters

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Originally posted by littleT:

Because of the conversations on here, this article on Babycenter.com from Reuters caught my eye today.



Doctor who raised vaccine-autism alarm faces hearing - Reuters

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Wakefield wasn't the first, nor will he be the last doctor to claim vaccines are harmful.

There are thousands and thousands of doctors who know they are harmful, and cause MUCH more than just autism. And no, vaccines will NOT be safe, even if the mercury is removed.

Wow - I didn't even see this thread when I commented on another about hoping that new parents take the time to educate themselves on all aspects of the vaccination debate.

One can find theories and studies to support almost any argument for or against any topic you choose on the internet - the mighty 'google' can be a dangerous thing.

I would suggest that parents make sure that they source their information from credible outlets and go from there.

I agree with the previous posters - there are so many things that make parenting difficult. I understood the purpose of these forums to be mainly one of support. I don't think that berating anyone for their choices is a constructive way to support anyone.

To take issue with the points raised about breastfeeding. I breastfed each of my children well into their toddlerhood - and while I believe this to have been the best thing for me to do for them - I humbly accept that not every mother is as lucky as I have been and not every mom can successfully do it. I would also further add that my kids still get sick, and I will repeat what I've said before - breastfeeding is not a panacea for all ills, and moms who use formula with their kids should not be made to feel guilty in any way because they did not breastfeed their babies.

albee my husband and i were just talking about this at dinner tonight. how you can find anything you want on the web. if your pro something you can find web sites for it. if your against something you can find web sites against it. i'm glad i'm not the only one to feel this way!!! thank you