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Ok, forget about all the other toxic adjuvants contained within vaccines for right now...........let's focus on ABORTED FETAL TISSUE.

Jesus HATES abortion............PERIOD !!!!

This article MAY be of interest to some:

The Case Against Vaccines According to God's Word


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Most people still assume that their pediatrician knows what’s best for their babies and would never do anything to harm them. They do not question the routine administration of childhood vaccinations, nor do they inquire as to what substances are being delivered into their babies’ bodies through those needles.

However, my quest to reveal the truth about vaccines to the Body of Christ has shown that His followers have been replacing their faith in Him with faith in modern medicine.

We are commanded to take EVERYTHING to Him. “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God.” ~Philippians 4:6

Once you have reviewed the list of toxins–mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, aborted fetal tissue, foreign animal RNA and DNA–and understand intuitively these substances cannot be good for your baby, take your concerns to Him and pray for guidance.

We are also advised to ponder on everything. “Finally, my brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are right, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there is any virtue and if there is any praise, think on these things. ~Philippians 4:8

“Whatever things are true”:There are no conclusive irrefutable studies to prove that vaccines are safe. Thousands of parents have requested information on studies conducted on vaccines proving both efficacy and long- term safety only to find they do not exist.

If vaccines are truly safe, then physicians, government administrators and vaccine manufacturers should have no problem providing studies proving vaccine safety and efficacy to concerned parents. Instead, pediatricians tell us we are gambling with our children’s’ lives if we do not allow them to be vaccinated. My pediatrician, for instance, refused to give me a copy of package inserts for each vaccine he intended to administer to my 18-month-old daughter. “The irrefutable studies you’re looking for are out there. Just get on the Internet and look for them,” he told me, obviously irritated that I should question his judgment on such matters as my baby’s health and well-being.

For nearly eight months I’ve been asking CDC to provide me with copies of these “irrefutable” studies because they cannot be found on the Internet. Every time I have requested them, my query has been either ignored or denied. Is it possible “irrefutable” proof that vaccines are safe and effective does not exist? At this point, no evidence exists compelling me to believe otherwise.

“Whatever things are honest”:If vaccines are honestly safe, why did Congress pass a law in 1986 forcing taxpayers (not vaccine manufacturers) to compensate parents for the vaccine-induced injuries and deaths suffered by thousands of vaccinated children every year?

Most states allow unvaccinated children to attend public school and daycares provided each one has an exemption form on file with the school. Why do most public schools and day cares inform parents that their child will be denied enrollment unless he is up to date with state-recommended vaccines?

The fact is every school is obligated to provide a waiver form for parents to sign. Yet, unless parents specifically request their child be exempted from vaccination, school administrators remain silent on the issue.

Honest practice requires honest behavior with honest words. A deceitful practice requires deceitful words and deceitful behavior. There is clearly something deceitful about government immunization programs.

“Whatever things are right”:What is right about allowing the injection of live and dead viruses cultured in aborted fetal tissue into the human body? We Christians are known for our stand against taking the life of an unborn child. Are we to believe that abortion is murder in the eyes of God yet injecting the genetic material of aborted fetuses into ourselves in the name of public health is “right” in the eyes of God? Clearly one cannot believe abortion is wrong and believe vaccines containing the genetic material of aborted fetuses are “right.”

“Whatever things are lovely”:What is lovely about having animal DNA, aborted human fetal tissue and foreign animal viruses, suspended in a cocktail of the most toxic substances known to man, injected into the body so it can find its way into the bloodstream? There are 446 references to “the blood” in the Bible. Throughout the Bible God refers to the sanctity of the blood and the importance of keeping it pure. Would He consider presence of live and dead viruses, foreign human and animal DNA, mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde in our blood “lovely?”

“Whatever things are of good report”: The FDA stated that less than 10% of adverse reactions from vaccines are ever reported. Using CDC data, CDC put out two publications on vaccine-induced injuries from 1990-1996. One publication was on vaccine-induced injuries from 1990-1995. They stated there were 45,000 vaccine-injured individuals. More alarming is that this figure is LESS than 1% due to gross under reporting. So, at minimum, 45,000 x 100=4.5 million Americans have experienced adverse reactions to vaccines. This calculates to a minimum of 900,000 vaccine-induced injuries each year from 1990-1995. Vaccines are not “of good report.”



Old Testament

Nearly one million people experience adverse reactions to vaccines each year. The scope of these reactions range from mild to severe to permanent and even death. We are commanded to speak out in defiance of wrong when we are confronted by it. Though found in the Old Testament, the following Scriptures still apply to the church of today:

Ezekiel 3:16“After the seven days had passed, the LORD spoke to me.”

Ezekiel:17 “Mortal man,” he said, “I am making you a lookout for the nation of Israel. You will pass on to them the warnings I give you.”

Ezekiel 3:18“If I announce that someone evil is going to die but you do not warn him to change his ways so that he can save his life, he will die, still a sinner, but I will hold you responsible for his death.”

Ezekiel 3:19“If you do warn an evil man and he doesn’t stop sinning, he will die, still a sinner, but your life will be spared.”

Ezekiel 3:20“If someone truly good starts doing evil and I put him in a dangerous situation, he will die if you do not warn him. He will die because of his sins—I will not remember the good he did—and I will hold you responsible for his death.”

Ezekiel 3:21“If you do warn a good man not to sin and he listens to you and doesn’t sin, he will stay alive, and your life will also be spared.”



Protecting the innocent

Thousands of Christians are given the warnings from their fellow believers about the dangers of vaccines. It’s time the body of Christ took this to heart. Being responsible about the welfare of our children also means inquiring of Him, who blessed us with our children, about the benefits and/or dangers of vaccines.

My research shows that vaccines are unsafe, ineffective in preventing the spread of disease and not pleasing to God.

Besides making informed and prayerful decisions to abstain from vaccination in our own homes, we also have the responsibility of working against those who insist upon injecting our children with poisons under the false belief or claim those poisons offer protection against communicable diseases.

While the church fights to save the unborn from abortion, the church should also fight to spare the newborns, infants and children from vaccine-induced injuries and death.

Kimberley can be emailed at medlins@earthlink.net


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Is the person that wrote this book a medical doctor or again someone's opinion?
 
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Is the person that wrote this book a medical doctor or again someone's opinion?



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99.9% of the documents/studies/quotes I post are from medical doctors who disagree with the practice/religion of vaccination.

There ARE - believe it or not - millions of doctors who disagree with the practice/religion of vaccination.

Likewise, there are millions of scientists who are against the theory/religion of evolution.

But yes, the article I posted JUST above is someone's opinion that was formed from reading medical doctors and studying the Bible.

We are allowed - as individuals - to form opinions.

We do not have to get a doctor's permission-slip to walk out of our front door each day.

We can actually exchange information without the government's/pharm-industry's permission.

Sound subversive? ..........perhaps..........but we ARE still free.


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We're all praying for you 18whatever.


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We are allowed - as individuals - to form opinions.


Yes, we are allowed to form opinions, but just remeber what opinions are like! Everyone has one
 
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Nope he thinks because we're women we can't think for ourselves.

May god be with him.


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Yes, we are allowed to form opinions, but just remeber what opinions are like! Everyone has one


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Then why aren't mine welcome?.............is it because you disagree with what I have to say?


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It is not that you disagree-it is that you try to force your opinions on everything. This forum area is a place for moms to discuss their children's health, funny stories, some information, etc. Like I said earlier, I think all Polk moms know how you feel and they would like you to possibly contribute to other posts with information pertinant to the subject and not just to preach on your soapbox.
 
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THIS IS THE POST FROM THE OTHER FORUM- HERE'S MY REPLY TO THAT-

Posted 16 June 2008 10:38 PM

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Just a question for you 18 watt_fan- were you vaccinated with the vaccines that are given these days?? I know I have been vaccinated with the same ones and here I am 25 and I don't seem to have any issues or problems- as well as my 5 siblings- they received the same vaccines- ..

EXCELLENT question/comment.

Now see. It's not so bad to have dialogue, is it folks?

Yes, unfortunately I was vaccinated, in the late 60s/early 70s. Was I maimed?...no...at least not obviously, although my vision, memory, and few other things MAY have been affected, but who really knows for sure. My older brother had to be revived by the pediatrician in the back of our '69 Plymouth Belvedere station wagon after either his DPT or MMR shot. His ears were ringing and he was having a seizure. Just so happens, he went deaf in one ear in about the year 2000 at the age of 38. Can it be proven vaccines caused all that? ..........probably not at this point. Thankfully there's no autism in my immediate family - BUT - Dr. Carley has pegged the fact the vaccines are causing/contributing-to (no, not the ONLY cause) a myriad of problems throughout one's lifetime, including cancer, diabetes, allergies, arthritis, lupus, parkinsons, alztheimer's, and many more - so who knows what's on the horizon.

Regarding the vaccine schedule you had to go by and the vaccine schedule I had to go by - they are NOTHING compared to what children starting in the early-90s now have to go by. If I remember correctly, the vaccination schedule has TRIPLED since you and I had our vaccinations, and COINCIDENTALLY, autism and other childhood diseases have SOMEHOW skyrocketed since then.

Again, I have to recommend Dr. Rebecca Carley's paper entitled "Inoculations: True Weapons of Mass Destruction" that I posted above to get an in-depth explanation of how vaccines cause our body to attack itself, causing a flood of auto-immune problems, and the critical nerve-endings to be eaten way, causing severe neurological disorders many times.


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Oh a on another note- do you use a cell phone, microwave, laptop--Oh an even a computer? well if so the studies show that they cause cancer- and health issues as the ones your stating all these vaccines do-



I don't use microwaves any longer, and haven't in years.

Regarding cell phones, we use them very minimally. I want to get to the point in my life where I can throw it away completely because they DO cause serious problems.

We are getting assaulted on many fronts, but vaccination has me the most upset because we've been lied-to about the history of them and also the fact that it's VERY taboo to even discuss the other side of the coin regarding their effectiveness/destructiveness.

The mainstream medical community acts like the issue can't even be debated.

RED FLAG when they tell you an issue can't even be debated.

When my wife went to see her O.B. when she was pregnant with our first, my wife asked her about the vaccinations that the hospital was going to TRY to give him when just hours-old.

The medical-goddess replied:

"WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ?!?!?!?!"

Needless to say, we dropped her like a hot rock.

These medical gods and goddesses are mad that parents are FINALLY starting to wake up, and they are getting upset when there are questions/debate.

I guess it's time for the internet to be banned soon because there has been a HUGE awakening over the past 10 years.


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~~Well firstly I was just proving a point by asking- you've got no one that you can prove has been affected by vaccinations. Secondly- I am only 24- I was 7 in 1990- I had to get the same shots my kids are getting now. I am one of 38 grandchildren and about 35 of them were born in the 1990's and they all have gotten the same vaccinations and NONE of them have issues. These days anything can cause cancer, diabetes, allergies, arthritis, lupus, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's- Examples being- cancer well family history seems to be the main cause of that- as well as smoking and working in the mines. Here is a website that shows RISK FACTORS- No where on this list is anything about vaccinations - http://www.medicinenet.com/cancer_causes/article.htm

Diabetes- Against family history, being obese, having cancer or any other virus can cause people to have type 2, pregnancy induced can cause women to have it when they are older- Heres the web site with information about what causes diabetes- no where listed does it say vaccines cause diabetes
http://www.medicinenet.com/diabetes_mellitus/page2.htm#tocd

Again- everyone is entitled to their opinion- but if these vaccines are as bad as your saying they are then the CDC/ FDA would pull them and not allow our children to get them. Our doctor gives us a flyer about the shot and lets us know about it- then we initial saying its okay for them to get the shot.
I am not doctor- nor an RN- But I have gone to school for Medical Assisting and I've worked in Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and OBGYN.

The Chicken Pox shot seems to be doing good- cases of chicken pox have dropped and I would think case of Shingles will drop as the kids that get the varicella shot get older.

We all understand that you feel these injections will cause major life health issues- but as a parent of 4 and an aunt to 3 I feel that these children are protected from things that could kill them if they do not get the shots. Majority of the health issues you are pointing out are all things they can get with or without shots. cancer, diabetes, allergies, arthritis, lupus, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's- everyone of these are things that a person can get with a family history- age, physical activity, laziness, ... As parents we have to weight the options- My child may end up with any one of these things because of my family history- so by not giving them shots because they might get it from the shot would be pointless.


Melissa- Mommy to four!!
Felicity, Alayna, Bryson and Gavin
 
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Before I sit down and address each issue you brought up just above, perhaps you can comment on the following:



First off, if vaccines are so safe, why does this OFFICIAL government agency exist?:


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, and here's another OFFICIAL government website where the TAXPAYERS have to pay families for vaccine injuries rather than the pharm companies having to pay for their own carnage:


National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)

Also, I keep hearing about all this "proof" that vaccines are "safe and effective".

Where is this proof?

We keep hearing that mantra repeated OVER AND OVER from doctors, schools, the media, etc.........but where is the PROOF?

Are there any studies?

Any hard evidence?

Or is it just a mantra being repeated until people believe it to be 'truth' because the lie has been repeated so many times?

There's the old saying:

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.


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He's Baaack. Frowner

We're praying for you.


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We're praying for you.



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mimib,

Does Jesus approve of the aborted-fetal tissue contained within many vaccines?

Perhaps I should be praying for all of the so-called Christians who keep making excuses for the Satanic pharm-companies which use aborted fetal-tissue in their vaccines.

ANY entity which uses aborted fetal tissue is S-A-T-A-N-I-C

Period.

End of discussion.


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We will still pray for you.

End of discussion!


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18watt ~

Did God make you judge and jury?

Just something to think about.

I've said it before, but your message gets lost before it's even heard because of your delivery.

Granted, they're giving you a hard time back, but you are a man, coming on here and preaching hellfire and brimstone to the moms just trying to determine what's best for their kids. They don't need you telling them you've made up their mind for them.


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